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William Henderson

Larry,

Perhaps you have done this elsewhere, but what is the new equilbrium that emerges from scuttling lawyer licensing?

For example, if we get rid of licensing, then by implication there would be no need to graduate from an ABA-accredited law school (a current precondition of taking almost every bar).

We could have a lot of fun speculating what such a world would look like, including how a typical law professor would allocate his or her time. Arguably, law professors benefit as much or more from the licensure requirements than practicing lawyers. Robert Stevens, Law School: Legal Education in America from the 1850s to the 1980s (1983) chronicles how the ABA and the AALS worked together to implement these standards.

Larry E. Ribstein

Yes, I agree. I have discussed the implications of lawyer licensing for law schools both in my paper and on the blog e.g, http://
busmovie.typepad.com/ideoblog/2006/02
/law_schools_and.html. Among other things, lawyer licensing is an impediment to true diversity in legal education.

David Lee

Prof. Ribstein, two points;
1) the link from your 3:39 comment is broken.

2)being in the middle of finals, it's not quite feasible to take the time to read your full article on the issue, but I have a quick thought. Consider practice before the IRS. There are several "levels of certification", as it were, where the IRS will allow others to represent a taxpayer in his/her dealings with the IRS. Each level has distinct privileges, and distinct requirements.

Attorneys, CPAs, and Enrolled Agents (essentially an individual who passed an exam that only tests tax knowledge, a bar exam for tax preparers/specialists) are all the granted the same level of privileges, they can represent the individual/business in any dealings with the IRS.

Unenrolled return preparers, can only deal with the IRS regarding a return they actually prepared, and even then can only handle limited matters.

And then other limited categories (partners, officers, fiduciaries, actuaries, and immediate family members) have different abilities to represent the taxpayer before the IRS.

If the IRS finds a system like this acceptable, why would the courts not? After all, dealings with the IRS can be just as important as dealings with court systems.

While this is not directly analogous to lawyer-licensing requirements, it could provide a decent template to build from. To paraphrase Prof. Ribstein's quote of Friedman, why require a Cadillac when a Chevy will do?

Larry E. Ribstein

I agree that levels of licensing is a possible compromise. The real question is whether these levels could be better accomplished voluntary certification than by licensing. I think so -- the market is much more flexible than regulation. Alternatively, we might reserve licensing only for a specific class of representation. The metaphor would be requiring Cadillacs only in some cases. But I'm at a loss to define such cases, and have no reason to believe that the legislative process would get us to some optimal level.

Peter

As frequently happens, professions seek government-issued licenses to protect themselves from competition. For instance, how many unauthorized practice of law statutes actually define "practice of law?"

Further, a license proves next to nothing, since you get one merely by graduating from school and passing the test. It is by no means, in law or many other fields, a guarantee of competence to handle any particular matter.

Would you entrust your heart bypass surgery to a recent medical school graduate? After all, the person has the required license. Would you trust your complex legal case to a recent law school graduate who just passed the bar?

Of course not! In both cases, there are private organizations that provide some assurances that the professional does have the requisite experience. If there were no medical or law license, one or more private organizations might enter the field (think Underwriter's Laboratories).

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